I think that's a that's just a really smart way of engaging with songs, this, this idea of like, true in the way that it needs to be right.įor sure. And so I just love this idea of like trying to get at the kind of emotional truths as opposed to the kind of the the factual truths when you're crafting a story and crafting a song. And so he's like, I'm really interested in trying to understand the feeling and recreate that feeling, even if the kind of facts around it aren't true in any particular way. And, you know, the other the other piece to that was, you know, I think him talking about, Am I Am I a fiction writer? Or am I a nonfiction writer, and him kind of landing squarely on the side of writing, like Song fictions, and trying to make something that is emotionally true, that you don't necessarily, you know, because like, he was to get you, it was kind of talking about, and this has really stuck with me the idea that, like, yeah, you have a relationship that ends and sometimes the emotional feeling of it doesn't match the reality of what happened. And I think he has a lot of interesting ideas in terms of, you know, how do we show like these little moments that speak to these big changes, right. And I think that the album does a really phenomenal job of, you know, layering that experience and giving it nuance. Because, you know, it's dealing with tough subject matter, like a divorce, and kind of moving moving past that. And I also just really appreciate his honesty in regards to like, the themes and kind of the context of the album. So that was a really interesting thing for me to hear as somebody who doesn't play music. And I think that like, you know, Steve basically gave us like, a little mini masterclass in terms of like how he thinks about songwriting, and conceptualizing, like a song from the original idea to the finished product. And I like really resonated with all of those, those parts,įor sure. And the thing that that really, I think, pinged with Steve is the way that he kind of thinks about his songs as almost like little short stories, as many short stories, and definitely takes that eyeball of kind of craft and like, how am I telling a story? And like, what does it mean to you know, how do I make this is emotionally resonant as possible within the framing of a song. You know, I've been thinking a lot about like, alright, what is the what is the through line? For a lot of the interviews that we do, and the thing that I've been noticing, here's my head, this is an observation that I've just made, is what I think we're both very interested in story and, and kind of craft of writing. But also, I think, for me, it was really interesting to just learn more about the role of like, being a producer, as somebody who like loves music, but I'm always like, producer who the fuck knows of that is? And it was a really fun conversation to not only talk to him about the creation of this album, especially in the midst of a pandemic, and all that entails. And we talked to him about his new album, kissing teeth, which came out, you know, probably in early June. He is a producer, sound engineer, and musician himself who goes by heatmaps. And today we talked to Steven James Aguilar. My name is Philip Russell, and I'm with my co host, Ben Thorpe. What's good everybody? Welcome to origin story, the podcast that interviews creators about where they came from, to understand how they got right here.
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